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You're full of it. Howard and Downer publicly and privately backed Indonesia consistently during the East Timor independence phases and stood idly by for ages whilst the militias were killing everybody in sight till Clinton strongarmed Howard into leading an intervention which did not...

Not really, most of the leaks we've gotten through Laurie Oakes, Lenore Taylor and Nicholas Stuart suggest that the bulk of the Labor party were a lot more hesitant when it came to Climate action, reconciliation, stimulus and asylum seekers than Rudd and he more or less just road roughshod over...

I'm one of the mob I'm allowed (not the atheist bit obviously). I've been involved in a number of the rallies and media campaigns and there is this odd phenomenon whereby for some reason people who oppose it on religious grounds seem to be considered more offensive than people who oppose it on...

You really are a fuckwit sometimes.

No he was not awful but I daresay what I'm seeing here is something that seems to be very common amidst the gay, atheist lefties of the world in that Rudd's Christianity and his reluctance to support gay marriage completely poisoned him for them and as such grant him no fair evaluation. It's...

He really didn't.

I don't see how the East Timor crisis is really a left/right issue.

And the coalition. I think you'll find Fraser was my second rated Prime Minister, ahead of Rudd, Hawke and Keating, while Gillard was only one place above Howard's Brutopia.

Lenore Taylor? You seem to also be ignoring the enormous efforts Rudd went to, infinitely greater than any other Australian politician, to bring together a global agreement at Copenhagen. You also seem to be basing your argument on this political fiction that Rudd could have magically rammed it...

Anderson, imagined communities all that. None of it has real meaning, it's all concocted.

Did Roosevelt not refuse to meet Owens?

I disagree with a lot of that, Rudd's shelving of the ETS has well and truly been revealed as largely the doing of Gillard, Swan and Arbib now, it seems very clear that he wanted that policy implemented whereas she did not. Keating as PM voted down a bill introduced by Hewson to have an ETS and...

They are seen as foolish because society moved beyond racism and dragged sport along with it, not the other way round.

I'd say he's the leftest Prime Minister since Whitlam, enormous investment in education, great commitment to reconciliation, abolished temporary protection visas, pro China, pro multiculturalism, removed forty pieces of LBGT discriminatory legislation, supports carbon pricing, supports super...

You don't think that for every heartwarming case of overcoming racism and prejudice that there are ten examples where it won the day?

That may be true outside of the of the tent, but among Labor types he is enormously revered as some sort of "keeper of the leftie flame" more so than Gough, Hawke or Kevin combined it seems sometimes.

Children attempting suicide behind razor wire and he and his ministers strutted around wearing the fact like some sort of badge of honour, he can never redeem himself

I dont get the Keating fetish among leftists, he was an economic rationalist through and through. My post Mcmahon Prime Ministers rank as Whitlam, Fraser, Rudd, Hawke, Keating, Gillard, Howard.

Ok, pray tell what meaning does the Olympics have for you?

Well I think there is far more cases of people singing the national anthem for a fee than smoking ceremonies so how bout you get back to us when you've successfully reversed the more prevalent trend?