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No I mean these days public servants call the shots.

But they're such awful, awful people. Howes, Swan, Ludwig, Feeney, Farrel, De Bruyn, Conroy, Arbib Datsyari, Bitar, Richardson, Burke, Bird; Shorten's the only one of em who isn't absolutely repugnant.

It isn't about everyone being wonderful friends it's about the rise of the technocratic consensus in these major powers and that hard headed ideologues in politics are forever having a declining influence on policy.

For someone who accuses others of moving the goal posts you do use "threat" very flexibly.

No not really, my originally contention was that India wont invade us because they're a democracy and dog don't eat dog, I stand by it.

If by threat you mean they are capable of bullying us then yes, if you mean to suggest they have any great intention of doing so, nope.

Wait, so you're defending the Labor factional apparatus, that which Gillard herself used to call a cancer on democracy, back when Latham was leader and before she realized they could do her favours?

Everyone except Gillard and Swan.

A Pakistani democracy? What where the people vote and the military knock off the leader a weak later if they don't like him or her?

Ha! More like it had to do with trade union hacks like Don Farrell and David Feeney resenting that they were being boxed out of the main policy deliberations.

I'm away but even flawed democracies have tended against warring with each other historically.

I think it is Rudd's very arrogance which will convince him that he can take back the leadership, sweep to victory and become a hero. He knows he's more popular than Abbott.

yeeeaannoooo it isn't.

India is a democracy though, unlike China.

I don't imagine she'll be leader in November, much less at the next election.

OMG shutup! Also heard it on radio, Smithy says no.

I think the traditional line is proxy line for a fierce, hateful she (and others, Albrechtsen for example who is an anti gay atheist) holds for for people who don't conform to her perceived archetypal Australian. If you removed industrial relations from the equation she would have infinitely...

Is your last name Iriving?

The feelings mutual. Gillard?

Ok well here's the thing, I consider the political spectrum to be a relative science, I don't view things as being inherently left or right wing and so if you aren't considering any of the Labor Prime Ministers sans Whitlam left wing either than I can accept you're view that Rudd is but I would...