2008 Presidential Election - Obama v McCain (2 Viewers)

[Nebuchanezzar]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ull-brands-obama-pal-of-terrorist-952477.html


I'm sorry but this isn't even funny, it's a fucking disgrace.

For Palin to come out with the 'guilt by association' trick like that shows she is incompetent to an enormous degree or trying to deceive the american public. Either way, anyone who says this does not deserve to be in office. This isnt a small matter. It's an utter failure of basic awareness of not knowing the truth.

Any fool votes or shows a iota of support for Sarah Palin or the republican party should be dragged by the head and shot behind a shed. how dare you abuse what is little left of democracy.

Fucking ridiculous.

Agreed. Disgraceful.

 

[blue_chameleon]

Not just any debate.
There will be mud and blood and gas and... camera shooting, darkness, human screams, talk of death
It will be a replay of the Great War, in all it's terrifying horror and scale

You forgot the "it's all right here in this pamphlet" line.

Have to work. Will youtube it.

 

[A High Way Man]

Have u ever seeen so much BLUE

 

[bigboyjames]

florida blue?

 

[A High Way Man]

FOX NEWS has Barry O. up by 7 in FL.

 

[Trefoil]

Yeah, Florida is blue. It's been polling about +2 to +8 for Obama for at least a week now. The same goes for Virginia.

Check here for details: http://pollster.com/

Or here: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Or here: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

As you can probably tell, yes that means Obama is in for a landslide victory. Although recently a prominent Republican strategist for the Bush and McCain campaigns has filed a lawsuit alleging that Bush and co have been engaging in voter faud and plan to have McCain win the election. That could explain his negative attacks - an excuse to say "we won because of those".

I doubt they'll manage to rig the election again though, if Obama stays ahead by his current landslide. I mean there's even hints that he'll win Georgia for Christ's sake! So far he is (due to the black vote and early voting), so it'll be interesting to see how he fairs on election day.

 

[chicky_pie]

Yeah, Florida is blue. It's been polling about +2 to +8 for Obama for at least a week now. The same goes for Virginia.

Check here for details: http://pollster.com/

Or here: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Or here: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

As you can probably tell, yes that means Obama is in for a landslide victory. Although recently a prominent Republican strategist for the Bush and McCain campaigns has filed a lawsuit alleging that Bush and co have been engaging in voter faud and plan to have McCain win the election. That could explain his negative attacks - an excuse to say "we won because of those".

I doubt they'll manage to rig the election again though, if Obama stays ahead by his current landslide.

Doubt they'll rig it too, people in the U.S.A would end up rioting and protesting, like for example; what we're seeing in Thailand now, how the government in power always 'buy' people's vote and rig voting results.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

...

You are a very peculiar young lady...

WATCH NORTH CAROLINA, MY FRIENDS!

EDIT: And New Hampshire. My God that's outrageous, if the pollster one is accurate.

 

[A High Way Man]

New Hampshire

Live free or die.

 

[u-borat]

which one's the state that's predicted the correct outcome of the election for the last 40 years?

 

[A High Way Man]

which one's the state that's predicted the correct outcome of the election for the last 40 years?

Missouri

 

[Trefoil]

which one's the state that's predicted the correct outcome of the election for the last 40 years?

Probably Missouri, but it's not important this year.

Obama has such a large lead that he could lose Missouri, Virginia, Florida and Ohio and he would still win. All he has to do is pick up Nevada or Colorado and he wins.

Thing is, though, Obama is currently winning Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina and Missouri.

That said, Obama will probably still win Missouri. And in that sense, I guess you could say that bellwether means you don't need Missouri to win, but if you do win you'll probably have Missouri anyway.

 

[A High Way Man]

Oh no, Zogby is giving Obama only +3, nationally

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Missouri? Ain't it been Ohio and Florida lately you guy?

 

[JaredR]

I'm John McCain and I approve this message.

 

[bigboyjames]

I'm John McCain and I approve this message.

i like your sig. proves that your a stupid shit.

 

[Trefoil]

Missouri? Ain't it been Ohio and Florida lately you guy?

Either you didn't read the posts or... there is no or. You didn't read the posts.

As I said, Obama doesn't need to win Missouri, Ohio or Florida to win. Moreover, Florida isn't a toss up state anymore - it's fairly strongly Obama, relatively speaking (about +5% poll average for Obama).

But yes, McCain certainly does need Missouri, Florida and Ohio at the very least, so he's going nuts trying to win them. It's not working.

 

[Trefoil]

I'm John McCain and I approve this message.

I could almost understand people supporting McCain in the early days. But the fact that you also support Palin does your credibility a serious disservice.

 

[bigboyjames]

really dumb question, but when they take polls, approx how many people take part in these type of votes?

 

[Trefoil]

Usually 1,000 people for a state poll and between 1,000 and 3,000 for a nationwide poll.

The state polls are usually done once a week for lean states, and up to every second day for toss up states. The nationa polls are done every day as a rolling average (so the past 3 days are average to smooth out errors).

The polls are weighted to account for the correct number of democrats, youth, elderly, blacks, etc. Polls that don't weight like this often give the inaccurate results you see floating around (like any national poll currently not giving Obama at least a +4% lead).

A poll's results are as important as its trend. If the poll just went from +4% McCain to +4% Obama in a week even though other polls say +8% Obama (from a 0% tie in a week), then there's likely nothing inherently wrong with any of these polls.

Margin of error ranges from +/- 2% to 5%, usually. But for national polls you can largely ignore this, since they do rolling averages and update daily - so it's easy to see outliers.

At the end of each poll it will tell you how many people were sampled and what the margin of error (MOE) is.

This link rates pollsters according to accuracy and consistency: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/pollster ratings

The above site just downright excludes some polls, though, because they are done by people with a vested interest (usually Republicans).