Coronavirus/Covid-19 Discussion Thread (5 Viewers)

[humptydumpty5]

5 bucks were going into a lockdown again and do online school again!!!

here we go again

 

[BLIT2014]

RATs have become the new masks.

 

[BLIT2014]

5 bucks were going into a lockdown again and do online school again!!!

here we go again

From the 10th January trains are running to a weekend timetable so fairly possible.

 

[Trebla]

ye but we have to learn to live with it. people have to die to stop this virus, a simple fact that not many people want to accept. plus that 5.3m stat is rubbish, in the US and Australia the govt was paying hospitals to record any death in the wards as a corona death. i know this first-hand. itd be naive to think that stat inflation wouldn't occur.
also, this time right now is the best time to spread herd natural antibody immunity because of omicron. this strain is actually a blessing. according to worldometer, out of the active cases in Australia, only 0.1% are critical, despite the death rate being 0.9%. thats in an omicron dominant sample, which indicates its less lethal. thats why im happy with what perrotet is doing, while mark mcgowen is a lunatic over 1 case.

I actually think that understatement of deaths more than offsets any supposed overstatement, particularly if you look at the excess deaths count compared to a normal year (for highly covid infected countries that is).

Either way, you have to remember that Australia’s low death rate is inclusive of the mitigation effects of aggressive suppression, contact tracing and lockdowns. You cannot really extrapolate and expect the same result in a scenario where these aggressive mitigation impacts are now removed. There is a lot of inherent uncertainty because whilst vaccines, masks, somewhat lower severity of variant all put downward pressure on adverse outcomes, they can be offset by the upwards pressure of the sheer number of cases by virtue of greater infectiousness and lack of any aggressive mitigation measures. It then becomes a matter of how much the differing forces net each other out, which is notoriously difficult to predict.

I would also caution the use of percentages in general as they don’t tell the whole picture, especially if you’re not comparing like-for-like. As highlighted in earlier posts a lower percentage of a larger number can be higher than a larger percentage of a smaller number. A classic example of this is the original SARS virus had a 10% death rate, yet there were far more deaths from SARS-CoV-2 despite having a significantly lower death rate (say < 1%), because you need to also account for its far greater infectiousness. Looking at deaths rates alone will miss that key detail because it measures the probability of dying conditional on being infected and does not consider the probability of getting infected.

 

[SylviaB]

Domicron

woah epic political take my dude

 

[Eagle Mum]

I’m pro dom simply bcz he doesn’t do lockdowns, not like it matters since I’m in iso rn but lockdowns are the worst. the personal responsibility agenda is lazy on the govts part but it makes sense and is better than a shut down society where things go back to square one once things open up.

I think physical distancing, masks, hand & personal hygiene are very important and large crowded events should be avoided, but I was dismayed when they restricted apartment dwellers in ‘LGAs of concern’ to one hour outdoors per day (we live in a semi rural area so it didn’t apply to us) because severe COVID is an aberrant inflammatory response and the baseline cardiometabolic status (ie. obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular risk) is one of the major determining factors for disease severity & likelihood of hospitalisation in an individual infected with SARS-COV-2 (https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.019259) so people were cooped up and sedentary indoors, eating & gaining weight, instead of exercising outdoors to improve their resilience to the virus. As variants of the SARS-COV-2 virus are likely to be circulating for a long time, I hope any future ‘lockdowns’ involve only closures of indoor places and restriction of large events, but not of the populations’ access to open spaces for exercise.

 

[totally_screwed]

I think physical distancing, masks, hand & personal hygiene are very important and large crowded events should be avoided, but I was dismayed when they restricted apartment dwellers in ‘LGAs of concern’ to one hour outdoors per day (we live in a semi rural area so it didn’t apply to us) because severe COVID is an aberrant inflammatory response and the baseline cardiometabolic status (ie. obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular risk) is one of the major determining factors for disease severity & likelihood of hospitalisation in an individual infected with SARS-COV-2 (https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.019259) so people were cooped up and sedentary indoors, eating & gaining weight, instead of exercising outdoors to improve their resilience to the virus. As variants of the SARS-COV-2 virus are likely to be circulating for a long time, I hope any future ‘lockdowns’ involve only closures of indoor places and restriction of large events, but not of the populations’ access to open spaces for exercise.

yeah I remember the one hr outdoors rule in my area it was so overboard, I couldn't even enjoy the hour bcz of privacy-invading cops, anyways I also hope future lockdowns aren't torturous for anyone lga or not since we have to live with the virus there's no point grounding people for months at a time, masks social distancing checkins preventing large social gatherings among other things should help reduce the spread not lockdowns pls

 

[Directrix]

yeah I remember the one hr outdoors rule in my area it was so overboard, I couldn't even enjoy the hour bcz of privacy-invading cops, anyways I also hope future lockdowns aren't torturous for anyone lga or not since we have to live with the virus there's no point grounding people for months at a time, masks social distancing checkins preventing large social gatherings among other things should help reduce the spread not lockdowns pls

What's worse is how Randwick and City of Sydney at that time had more cases then Blacktown and even less vaccination rates but weren't concerned LGAs.

That was triggering af.

 

[Eagle Mum]

yeah I remember the one hr outdoors rule in my area it was so overboard, I couldn't even enjoy the hour bcz of privacy-invading cops, anyways I also hope future lockdowns aren't torturous for anyone lga or not since we have to live with the virus there's no point grounding people for months at a time, masks social distancing checkins preventing large social gatherings among other things should help reduce the spread not lockdowns pls

I’m very sorry you had to live through that.

 

[jazz519]

What's worse is how Randwick and City of Sydney at that time had more cases then Blacktown and even less vaccination rates but weren't concerned LGAs.

That was triggering af.

Yep and there was lots of news stories about people in those areas crowding on beaches and meeting up, while Western Sydney was so heavily restricted in comparison where you couldn't even go outside 5km of your house

 

[totally_screwed]

Yep and there was lots of news stories about people in those areas crowding on beaches and meeting up, while Western Sydney was so heavily restricted in comparison where you couldn't even go outside 5km of your house

yeah omg I remember the crowding on beaches double standards asf, the policing here was like US military style lmao ppl getting fined for anything, I got my first job during lockdown and lost it bcz of the 5km rule forever sad abt this, complete nonsense it's all or nothing how does shutting down some areas and letting others go wild do anything, this is all in the past though hopefully in future the same lunacy doesn't happen

 

[jazz519]

yeah omg I remember the crowding on beaches double standards asf, the policing here was like US military style lmao ppl getting fined for anything, I got my first job during lockdown and lost it bcz of the 5km rule forever sad abt this, complete nonsense it's all or nothing how does shutting down some areas and letting others go wild do anything, this is all in the past though hopefully in future the same lunacy doesn't happen

Yeah same got screwed by it too since I had my honours research year and I lost 4 months of my lab time because I couldn't go to the uni. It was really annoying when people were allowed to go beaches and stuff while I couldn't just go to get an education and complete my thesis properly

 

[BLIT2014]

Anyone know if the advice is work from home if you can?

 

[nzexperiment]

Anyone know if the advice is work from home if you can?

the advice is go church

 

[totally_screwed]

the advice is go church

mate why are you always on your period

 

[nzexperiment]

mate why are you always on your period

it's facts bro, get educated

 

[Eagle Mum]

Anyone know if the advice is work from home if you can?

Yes, from the email broadcasts that I’ve been getting, that seems to be the general advice again.

 

[cloud_berry]

sorta confused on what to do because im immunocompromised and my mom is unvaxxed but im really depressed from staying home all day , im not kidding i havent socialised with anyone in 3 weeks. tbh its more of my mom im worried about but at this point all those dumb conspiracy theories made her scared of the vax :/

 

[jazz519]

sorta confused on what to do because im immunocompromised and my mom is unvaxxed but im really depressed from staying home all day , im not kidding i havent socialised with anyone in 3 weeks. tbh its more of my mom im worried about but at this point all those dumb conspiracy theories made her scared of the vax :/

Try go outside for exercise like walking, jogging or ride a bike if you have one by yourself. There is not much risk to get infected if you are outside and keeping away from a crowd doing that. Although it isn't a socialising based activity with others, it will help to clear your mind and get some health benefits from doing some cardio.

Also, yeah it can be tough to live inside for ages and not have any contact with your friends or other people. I didn't see my friends until early December for like over 7 months due to the earlier lockdown in 2021 because we all lived in a restricted LGA. However, during that time we still made efforts to keep in contact and try to be as positive during that time. One of the ways we did this was by talking daily on messenger or whatsapp in our group chat and also once or twice a week we would hold a games session on Zoom. We just played any random free games like the drawing and guessing ones, codenames, cards games. That way we still kept in contact and it reduced the feeling of just being alone by yourself.

Try to arrange that kind of stuff with your friends. Even if it's not a games session you can just like hold a video chat for an hour and talk about stuff.

 

[cosmo 2]

"immunocompromised" is the new gluten allergy