Nebuchanezzar
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Last I heard capitalism is known as failure. YAY!youBROKEmyLIFE said:Last I heard government intervention in the markets was known as Socialism. YAY!
Last I heard capitalism is known as failure. YAY!youBROKEmyLIFE said:Last I heard government intervention in the markets was known as Socialism. YAY!
Nah Capitalism just happens to be the most effective means humanity has discovered of generating wealth, raising the general standard of living and being a great boon for all of humanity but okayNebuchanezzar said:Last I heard capitalism is known as failure. YAY!
Dogg I believe in workfare and safety nets and universal healthcare because I'm not a monster.Nebuchanezzar said:Yes I've noticed how successful it's been lately.
But since I don't have a house anymore, do you have any spare change? No? Well I'll just die then. Yay for capitalism!
Corporate welfare is a fucking fraud. Personal welfare is not. kthxNebuchanezzar said:These safety nets have a tendency to award millions of $$$'s to lousy CEO's, and pittance to the workers.
Cheap home loans for all!
There's an awful lot of holes in your precious capitalism, mr. Reagan.youBROKEmyLIFE said:Corporate welfare is a fucking fraud. Personal welfare is not. kthx
Dogg I am hell of more rational and evidence based than you mr socialist.Nebuchanezzar said:There's an awful lot of holes in your precious capitalism, mr. Reagan.
Well it's an interesting situation. You have 99.99% of the voting population, who aren't the executives hauled up in these companies, hounding down at you in the polls, and rightly so, that this is pretty much welfare for the rich. These people want their money spent on healthcare, roads, schools and public goods, not on private enterprise which has been consumed by its own greed. I think the Demo's at the moment are unsure what to do, an election is near, do you please the public for the votes or pass the legislation and try and fix the mess.youBROKEmyLIFE said:Holy shit apparently the Dems are losing serious votes on the Bill and it's looking like there may be a chance that the US won't pass the $700bn bill.
More like 20 buxNebuchanezzar said:Democracy is also flawed, obviously.
Wait, what's the bill bailing out? How will the money promised in the bill help out?
Speaking of financial crises, "I am America" is $35! I thought it would have come down in price dramatically by now but apparently not!
This is not a failure of capitalism, you twat. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were set up and subsidised by the US government to do what the free market would never do, and this is provide ridiculous amounts of subprime credit to people with a high probability of defaulting on their mortgages. They then packaged these debts and onsold them to other firms, which bought them because, while they were not actually securitised by the government, there was an implicit suggestion that, should a situation like this come about, the government would compensate them.Nebuchanezzar said:There's an awful lot of holes in your precious capitalism, mr. Reagan.
Well they're kinda hoping they can get some of the money back by selling the bonds later.Garygaz said:Well it's an interesting situation. You have 99.99% of the voting population, who aren't the executives hauled up in these companies, hounding down at you in the polls, and rightly so, that this is pretty much welfare for the rich. These people want their money spent on healthcare, roads, schools and public goods, not on private enterprise which has been consumed by its own greed. I think the Demo's at the moment are unsure what to do, an election is near, do you please the public for the votes or pass the legislation and try and fix the mess.
Personally, I think the legislation needs to be passed, I don't like the theory behind it, but the consequences that could possibly arise from not doing so could be catastrophic. I think the Government needs to bail these companies out, then they need to sue the fucking crap out of the credit rating agencies and then re-regulate the finance market. They have proved that when given too much power they cannot responsibly use it.
Edit: I don't want to know what the long term effect of this bail out will be, the debt hole in the treasury will be mega-sized...