Muslim headscarves (2 Viewers)

[veterandoggy]

i agree. and btw for everyone, it is obligitory to wear the hijab, but it cant be enforced upon a woman to wear it, despite what you think/see.

 

[SashatheMan]

For the purpose of equality, everyone should convert to Islam.

I can imagine your reaction to that statement: "Why should I?" "Who are you to tell me to convert to Islam?" etc.

your an idiot.

 

[Lushious88]

Mmm...for equality...

Yes nuns, if muslim women/girls cannot wear headscarves (assuming it'll extend past schools), we must ban nuns from wearing whatever it is they wear on their head. Oh and hindi men should not wear their turbans too. What about the jewish and their little "hat" thing? (sorry I don't know its name).

I mean I guess I agree with the female oppression argument to an extent, but still

most people make the common misconception that the Hijap is a form of oppression, but in contemporary society, the choice is often left up to the female, and many do not wear it, others however do. It is a way of islamic women embracing their religion..the same way a jewish man would wear a kippah (the hat), or a christian would wear a cross around their neck.
the australian community doesnt know enough about Islam, because they continue to make ignorant, uninformed statements..

 

[veterandoggy]

thanks media! people have taken chunks to analyse out of our religion, and you simply tell them " dont analyse that chunk, analyse this one!"

 

[hello_world]

i agree that it is inappropriate to carry out this tradition in another country but we can't really ban it.

the muslims should assimilate with Australian society. the lebanese and turkish muslims don't wear headscarves. isn't the headscarf a tradition carried out by countries with ideals that women are inferior and should cover themselves up?

 

[ahsia]

your an idiot.

And you believe yourself to be otherwise?

 

[veterandoggy]

i agree that it is inappropriate to carry out this tradition in another country but we can't really ban it.

the muslims should assimilate with Australian society. the lebanese and turkish muslims don't wear headscarves. isn't the headscarf a tradition carried out by countries with ideals that women are inferior and should cover themselves up?

nah, no way! the lebbos and turks that dont wear it arent following their religion. my neighbours are turkish, and i rarely see scarved turks come to their house, so i would understand where you got that concept from.

its obligotary to wear the scarve, but it cannot be forced upon the woman, contrary to what you may hear. women arent inferior in islam, they are equal in their own regards (notice what i said, in their own regards, not quality-for-quality). they cover themselves up to preserve their modesty, not to show inferiority.

 

[Ice man]

I think if they are living in australia they should live by australian rules, if school rules state that headscarf is not allowed then its that simple. They shouldnt be allowed to wear it, couldnt the parents contact the school before their child enrolled and check the status of what the schools policy is first? and then send them to a differant school if it isnt allowed :S

 

[somechick]

I'm muslim but i dont wear the headscarf. I think in it's highly appropriate in its context in countries where women are prone to be attacked etc, that's what it is for, as well as other reasons that i have explained a zillion times in this forum. It's the choice of the female that matters (like the abortion debate) and if it empowers her, then so be it. My dad doesn't care if i wear it or not, so contrary to what a lot of non-muslims think, it is not patriarchly adminstered.

 

[veterandoggy]

can you guys stop bloody bumping these threads?????

 

[googooloo]

I'm muslim but i dont wear the headscarf. I think in it's highly appropriate in its context in countries where women are prone to be attacked etc, that's what it is for, as well as other reasons that i have explained a zillion times in this forum. It's the choice of the female that matters (like the abortion debate) and if it empowers her, then so be it. My dad doesn't care if i wear it or not, so contrary to what a lot of non-muslims think, it is not patriarchly adminstered.

What do you think about abortion?

 

[Riqtay]

I don't believe that Hijab is at all opressive towards women at all. On the contrary, it helps protect them from wayward men by not revealing their feminine beuty outwardly.

Many believe that a woman wearing hijab violates the principle of equal rights. People who use this argument fail to understand that man and woman are built differently.

Islam promotes equality amongst men and women, although it may not be evident due to the overly harsh treatment towards women (ie taliban). Islam totally dejects men from supressing women and using force agianst them. Rather it encourages them to have equal rights with their husbands (ie euqal share of property and having a voice in a marriage etc)

Hijab protects women from becoming playthings, to be exploited or left at the mercy of male vulgarity. Rather, by wearing hijab women become more decent, chaste and arn't prone to uncontrollable temptations.

On this token, males in Islam are also taught against casting covetous eyes at women inorder to protect men from commiting adultry etc. People have to understand that females are very attractive creatures and them wearing outfits which openly excentuates their features, men are surely lured towards them which may lead to adultry, fornication and some vulgar and wayward men may even be prone to rape women.

 

[withoutaface]

But if men are lured to these women then surely it would act as a good test of faith, for if they were true believers in Islam they would choose not to, whereas if they were corrupted they would go ahead with it.

Also please note that rape is 90% of the time not done for sexual gratification, it is done as a power thing.

 

[Sonic]

But if men are lured to these women then surely it would act as a good test of faith, for if they were true believers in Islam they would choose not to, whereas if they were corrupted they would go ahead with it.

yes but this is not only for muslim men its a general thing... whereby you see a women walking down the street, you don't know her religion.. but your attracted to her so the headscarf and modest clothes protect women

 

[MoonlightSonata]

Can I just ask, what is wrong with desiring women?

If I see a gorgeous girl walk past in hot pants I am obviously going to find her rather alluring, but what is wrong with that?

 

[Sonic]

Can I just ask, what is wrong with desiring women?

If I see a gorgeous girl walk past in hot pants I am obviously going to find her rather alluring, but what is wrong with that?

no there is nothing wrong with that but fromn a religious perspective thats not what is supposed to happen its really restricted to your wife or fiancee...

 

[veterandoggy]

Can I just ask, what is wrong with desiring women?

If I see a gorgeous girl walk past in hot pants I am obviously going to find her rather alluring, but what is wrong with that?

nothing is wrong with what is happening, it is what MIGHT happen that is wrong.

 

[Riqtay]

There is nothing wrong with desiring a women. It is well ingrained in the male psyche. However, the free indugence in women is detrimental to their purity and righteousness.

Islam teaches one to channel ones desires. Marriage is a way to channel a mans and womans sexual and emotional desires, without them losing their purity and nobility.

 

[MoonlightSonata]

Can I just ask, what is wrong with desiring women?

If I see a gorgeous girl walk past in hot pants I am obviously going to find her rather alluring, but what is wrong with that?

no there is nothing wrong with that but fromn a religious perspective thats not what is supposed to happen its really restricted to your wife or fiancee...

But suppose that you are not married or with someone, then what is wrong with that?

Can I just ask, what is wrong with desiring women?

If I see a gorgeous girl walk past in hot pants I am obviously going to find her rather alluring, but what is wrong with that?

nothing is wrong with what is happening, it is what MIGHT happen that is wrong.

What might happen?

Can I just ask, what is wrong with desiring women?

If I see a gorgeous girl walk past in hot pants I am obviously going to find her rather alluring, but what is wrong with that?

There is nothing wrong with desiring a women. It is well ingrained in the male psyche. However, the free indugence in women is detrimental to their purity and righteousness.

Please explain what "free indulgence in women" means, and what "detrimental to her purity and righteousness means". I am attempting to understand the reason behind it but those are very vague words.

Islam teaches one to channel ones desires. Marriage is a way to channel a mans and womans sexual and emotional desires, without them losing their purity and nobility.

Alrite, going along with the Islamic belief, if they are not married or with someone, is there any harm in that situation?

 

[Riqtay]

My idea of noblility, purity and righteousness is very different from yours.

Let me ask you a couple of question. Do you think a pornstar is righteous, pure or noble? What do you believe to be righteous, noble or pure? I believe that nobility is an absolute rather than a relative concept but I would like to hear your response.

You cannot quantify what is righteous and what isn't. Rather it is quite evident what is righteous and what isn't. I believe that a pornstar is not noble, pure or righteous simply because the pornstar is engaging in sexual intercource with no shame.

We are humans not animals. Religion has been sent down to us to teach that we are different to animals. While animals have instinct and will satiate their desires (ie food and sex) in any way possible, we humans are built in a more dignified and noble manner. Fornication as I have explained earlier has with it many good points yet the bad points outweight the good points.

It is up to us to implement noble acts to be different from animals. By having sexual relations outside of marriage, we are no better than a mere animal who
cannot control its desires.