not all christians are boring stereotypical bible bashers (1 Viewer)

[Captain Gh3y]

Postmodernism and interpretation and such present no challenge to the idea that there is absolute right and wrong, as they are simply, absolutely wrong.

 

[transcendent]

Yes there are grey areas, but it is an incredibly pointless and depressing to think that there is no truth in the world.

That is why you fail.

 

[Mongke]

Ok, just for a moment, let's look at this from my point of view.
There is only one absolute truth. It's not a matter of opinion. If our beliefs contradict, then at least one of us is wrong.
eg, Hindus believe there are many Gods. Chrsitians believe there is only one. Aethiests believe there aren't any. So they can't all be true.
Through careful reasoning over a couple of years, I've come to the conclusion that Christianity is the one truth. I honestly do. I feel like it's given my life meaning and hope. I've found answers to all my questions. Should I be blamed in sharing this revelation with others?

uhhh spontaneous, didnt anyone tell you? there is no spoon.

 

[Kulazzi]

They think he was a phrophet and a good man, but not God....they are wrong

so does that make Islam wrong as well? Or Judaism? Or are you just pinning down Jehovah's Witnesses' on its own?

 

[Nietzsche]

Of course Islam is wrong.

 

[Kulazzi]

Of course Islam is wrong.

and Judaism? I'm not saying Islam is perfect and I certainly wasn't saying that any of these beliefs are wrong. The point of that post was to try and get that poster to think outside the square.

 

[Nietzsche]

You're a muslim right?

Essentially, both you and me are atheists, I just believe in one less religion than you do.

 

[Kulazzi]

You're a muslim right?

Essentially, both you and me are atheists, I just believe in one less religion than you do.

Yes.

Wait, don't atheists believe that there's no God.....?

 

[Nietzsche]

Sorry, let me rephrase myself.

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.

 

[overtlyanxious]

i'm not talking about the casual christian who believes in god or jesus and thats it. i'm talking about the committed christian who goes to church every sunday and reads the bible. these seem to be more of the bible basher types.

so i just jumped in, and this comment was a loooong time ago, but i have to say that if you are a christian it isn't just about "believing in God or Jesus". Lots of people believe in God or Jesus who aren't christians. Islamic people believe in God and Jesus, but believe different things.

Secondly, it's the aim to be a committed Christian who goes "goes to church every sunday and reads the Bible". That's the point, that our lives are changed. the gospel should permeate every aspect of our beings, not just be some casual thing we take for granted.

Having said this, i sound like a "bible basher" but this whole discussion, it seems to me, is going to divide people into two groups, "bible bashers" and "bible basher bashers". You're on one side of the other, I guess.

But it's good to have an open mind, and I'm sorry that a lot of closed-minded Christians stuff it up for those of us who aren't.

Think about it this way. If we're wrong, we're going to go to a hellish place when we die, aren't we? Then we'll get our just deserts. However, I am led to believe that this is the right way, and not everyone is, thus the whole religion debate.

But doesn't conflict make life fun? (I mean this verbal, no-one is going to get killed kind of conflict, not the "let's bomb iraq" kind of conflict..)

 

[Captain Gh3y]

wrong.

you can't seem to grasp that there can be more than one right answer, and I don't know how I can try and fix this. The world have opposing values, and the idea of "good" and "bad" is different across cultures. Assuming these values are not humanist, no one has really the right to say who is "right" or "wrong".

lets see

"it is universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife"

now this is the truth, regarding the context of this incredibly famous quote. But how real is this truth?

I can't be bothered. Is that why you people stopped talking to this person..

Let us accept the idea of relativism; that there are no absolute rights or wrongs but our beliefs are dictated by our culture. For example, in Culture A, sex before marriage is acceptable, while in Culture B, it is not. If someone from Culture A and another from Culture B were to argue on whether sex before marriage was ok, each would present the ideas and reach the conclusion that is accepted in their own culture, but an agreement would never be reached as to whether it was accpetable or not, each believing their society's truth was the absolute one.

If that is what you mean, then this follows:

If a large enough group of people who considered themselves a 'culture' believed murder and rape were acceptable, we would be forced to accept that that is the 'truth' in their 'culture', and we only believe murder and rape are wrong because that is how things are in our culture (eg. in Australia).

Truth: Conformity to fact or actuality. That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence.

Is there any, any way at all to show that a certain moral standard or belief is absolutely correct? Is it at all the case in supreme reality that murder, rape, torture and genocide are wrong? Or are they only wrong because we think they are? There can be no empirical scientific proof that murder is 'wrong' because 'wrong' is a concept invented by people. From a scientific point of view, the murder victim simply ceases to be alive, and the world goes on as though nothing ever happened, except some decomposers are given more food.

From this we can say that there is nothing at all special about human life individually, that life has no empirical value apart from that which is socially constructed. I conclude that it is a logical consequence that if you believe in relativism then you must also believe that life and existence are objectively worthless and their value is only relative to that which it is assigned by a culture.

This is also a very pessimistic outlook on life, and it surprises me very little that those who are quick to defend wrongdoers and quicker to attack those who attempt to do good (read: academics, intellectuals) are most often of the relativist persuasion. After all, it is easiest to attack the values of others when you haven't any of your own.

Have you heard of 'grey'? Your reasoning, while not totally unexpected for someone of your age, is alarmingly simplistic and black and white.

To have grey is one thing, to propose life is meaningless because of it is another.

Religion is simply a subjective belief. There is no 'correct' belief or one belief.

Relativisim is simply a subjective belief. To an adherant of religion that religion is the one belief.

The only reason people evangelise is so they can have more people who share the same beliefs so that they don't have to feel insecure about their faith.

What are you doing in this post? Why? What's the difference.

It's the reason you go to church.

Don't be so arrogant as to even pretend for one moment you truly understand why people of different faiths from all over the world attend church or the equivalent thereof. Church for many is a social and community experience, where they learn more about their religion, but also socialise, enjoy themselves, and in many cases perform acts of good will that may benefit an entire community.

In any case religion is a historical construction built on cultural customs and practices that have evolved to best suit the needs of the society in which it evolved from. It gives people hope, solace and explanation in times of desperate sadness. If you were born in the midde of africa your one true god would be very different to what you think is the one true god. And who are you to judge and say that joe blow in India who has grown up in a very different environemnt to you is somehow wrong in his or her subjective belief? How damn narrow midned is that?

Firstly, much of Africa is Christian. While I may believe the Hindu gods are not the true God, I am not the one who believes that all human ideas, whether they include a god or not, are not just wrong but also worthless. See above.

Your beliefs are a product of the little microcosm thats exists out in the hills. It has nothing to do with 'the one' or other such bullshit. Gawd who breeds these people?

Her beliefs are a product of good will, love, faith, tolerance, understanding and are shared by a microcosm that accounts for 1.7 billion people. Your belief is an academic trend bred in ivory towers by academics that equates to nihilism.

No one would get so upset if stupid religion didn't pandered to their stupid followers that their belief is somehow the one and only. Great way to ensure the world is stable and tolerent

Christianity has promoted stability and been a civilising influence in many places.

 

[KYKYJ]

WOW. . .i haven't been on here a whiole but it is good to see that there are awesome worriors of our god standing up for what we beleive in. .
but we must remember when we push it too much it becomes more of a forced opinion and that what causes wars wheteher its racial, for land or power even political , we as christian should know that evreything we do should be out of love
but don't give up on people that refuse to listen the first time

Press on soldiers know that our master has the greatest reward for our work waiting at our eternal home. . .
ONE GOD
THREE PERSONS
ONE CREATOR
SEVEN DAYS
ONE HEAVEN
ONE EARTH
ONE MAN
ONE WOMAN
ONE CHOICE
ONE SIN
ONE DEBT
ONE WORD
ONE PROMISE
ONE LOVE
ONE PLAN
ONE BIRTH
ONE SON
ONE HOPE
ONE MAN
ONE CROWN
ONE SPEAR
THREE NAILS
ONE CROSS
ONE DEATH
ONE LAMB
THREE DAYS
ONE COST
ONE BATTLE
ONE KING
ONE FREEDOM
ONE CHRIST
ONE FAITH
ONE TRUTH
ONE WAY
ONE HOME ABOVE
NEVER FORGET YOUR FIRST LOVE!

 

[KYKYJ]

Steph9, if you're going to have a proper argument, don't refer to the Bible. It is a work of fiction and does nothing to support your argument.

so does that make your thoughts and opinions a work of fiction as well? because men just like me and you(well not exactly like you they were beleivers) wrote the bible and thought it was all inspired from god mouth he allowed some of them to write from their hearts that where book like Galatians and ephesians came from. . . So if u can write from your point of view and with "your version of the truth" we can quote the bible because it is our truth and our point of view on all things.. .



1 John 3:16 (The Message)
16This is how we've come to understand and experience love: Christ sacrificed his life for us. This is why we ought to live sacrificially for our fellow believers, and not just be out for ourselves.

 

[withoutaface]

Hooray for the use of emotive language to try to win arguments!

 

[Not-That-Bright]

dawkins owns this thread.

 

[55psi]

quote: 'not all christians are boring stereotypical bibal bashers'
Thats true, i have christian friends who dont force their religous opinions towards me, but on the otherhand i have a friend who does. Those christian people who force their religion against people who already have their own religion are those that wreck it and create a bad image for all those 'modest' (dunno if thats the right term) christians. One of my friends is this and bugs the fark out of me even though my culture follows buddhism, i mean seriously WTF.
And another thing i want to point out, from the image im getting and the way im perceiving things, most dont seem to respect other religions. From experience ive been to a christian youth centre just to see how it goes, and the pastor was ripping off other religions and gods, including mine just to show how superior jesus is compared to others. Now that is not a very cool thing to do at all, and its these things that make me have less respect for christians. My question is, why cant they keep it to themselves like other people from different religions. Seriously, bout 85% dont give a rats ass, and constantly, everytime i see people saying jesus loves u on the streets, people who listen to them just give them shit.
But then uve got the people who respect other peoples religions and are the actual intelligent ones who respect other peoples feelings.

 

[hubbie88]

respect brother!

 

[*wbg*]

WOW. . .i haven't been on here a whiole but it is good to see that there are awesome worriors of our god standing up for what we beleive in. .
but we must remember when we push it too much it becomes more of a forced opinion and that what causes wars wheteher its racial, for land or power even political , we as christian should know that evreything we do should be out of love
but don't give up on people that refuse to listen the first time

Press on soldiers know that our master has the greatest reward for our work waiting at our eternal home. . .
ONE GOD
THREE PERSONS
ONE CREATOR
SEVEN DAYS
ONE HEAVEN
ONE EARTH
ONE MAN
ONE WOMAN
ONE CHOICE
ONE SIN
ONE DEBT
ONE WORD
ONE PROMISE
ONE LOVE
ONE PLAN
ONE BIRTH
ONE SON
ONE HOPE
ONE MAN
ONE CROWN
ONE SPEAR
THREE NAILS
ONE CROSS
ONE DEATH
ONE LAMB
THREE DAYS
ONE COST
ONE BATTLE
ONE KING
ONE FREEDOM
ONE CHRIST
ONE FAITH
ONE TRUTH
ONE WAY
ONE HOME ABOVE
NEVER FORGET YOUR FIRST LOVE!

i am unsure whether to laugh at the blatant contradiction displayed in this post or to be astounded if this is what you truly believe (...do you really speak like that??)

QUOTE:
but we must remember when we push it too much it becomes more of a forced opinion and that what causes wars wheteher its racial, for land or power even political , we as christian should know that evreything we do should be out of love
but don't give up on people that refuse to listen the first time

clearly contradiction yourself. Dont push it to much, we dont want to force our opinion on others... .. but if people dont agree keep pushing!! dont accept their point of view!!

do you really concider yourself a "worrior" << note its spelt warrior of god?? if god is so almighty powerful why does he need mere mortal humans to help him out???

QUOTE: Press on soldiers know that our master has the greatest reward for our work waiting at our eternal home. . .

oh.. i see!! i understand.. you're doing this for the "reward" .. so very "christain" of you my dear.

 

[55psi]

hahaha, good find, props!
KYKYJ who posted that, i think your about to create a war on this thread:burn:.
:rofl:

 

[DeltaOne1]

I agree, I see a war comming.

Interesting thread, I have skimmed over it.

Still reading some of it and that.

But I do agree, Not ALL Christians are Bible Bashers, I know heaps that are very fun to be with and they don't do that kinda in your face thing.

I would suggest you get to know a few Christians before you make a judgement, and if you know some and they are Bible Bashing Christians, meet some new ones, cause they are just normal people, but with a different view on things.