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Bohr basically just clarified specific stable energy levels and conservation of angular momentum and whatnot to explain spectroscopy. But his model is often referred to the Rutherford-Bohr model even in HSC so they are borderline the same model.I'm confused. This is kind of a miniscule detail but I'm paranoid that they might give us a model and ask to identify who's it is, or something.
Is this model attached Rutherford's or Bohr's? The same images come up when I search for either.
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I got taught that as well but only brieflyDo we need to know about hyperfine splitting and the zeeman effect as limitations of Bohr's model? My school went so overboard with a lot of topics so I'm not even sure if this is in the syllabus or just extra info.
Felt like I bloody redid English paper 2 with that one2019 was definitely hardest hsc exam
Yeh I agree with that. A lot of the questions were just nonsensical, like 36, 31 and 26.2019 was definitely hardest hsc exam
It was an answer in one of the past papers wasn't it? You should know at least 2 limitations for both Rutherford and Bohr. I doubt you need too much detail on the limitations. Just maybe one line of explanation IF it's a high mark question. For me the two simplest limits for Bohr is that his model only applied to the hydrogen atom, and it couldn't account for hyperfine splitting.Do we need to know about hyperfine splitting and the zeeman effect as limitations of Bohr's model? My school went so overboard with a lot of topics so I'm not even sure if this is in the syllabus or just extra info.
Could you also include the fact that electrons are in circular motion, and thus accelerating and should be emitting light. iirc bohr had a postulate that said that the electrons didn't do this, but he had no physical justification other than electrons had stable orbits in real life, so his model had to as wellIt was an answer in one of the past papers wasn't it? You should know at least 2 limitations for both Rutherford and Bohr. I doubt you need too much detail on the limitations. Just maybe one line of explanation IF it's a high mark question. For me the two simplest limits for Bohr is that his model only applied to the hydrogen atom, and it couldn't account for hyperfine splitting.
yeah 1. unspported postulates (for now) 2. hydrogen only seem the most straightforwardCould you also include the fact that electrons are in circular motion, and thus accelerating and should be emitting light. iirc bohr had a postulate that said that the electrons didn't do this, but he had no physical justification other than electrons had stable orbits in real life, so his model had to as well
Totally! I have that as a limitation for Rutherford. Bohr couldn't actually prove or explain his postulates. i.e He says no EMR is emitted when in a stationary state. But when asked to define a stationary state it's defined as when no EMR is emitted. His explination was very cyclicalCould you also include the fact that electrons are in circular motion, and thus accelerating and should be emitting light. iirc bohr had a postulate that said that the electrons didn't do this, but he had no physical justification other than electrons had stable orbits in real life, so his model had to as well
Me tooi dont rlly get how to explain schrodinger apart from name dropping electron cloud and 3 quantum number and i dont even know what they mean
I think schrodinger is just saying you can only look at electron orbits in terms of probability (hence the cat in a box thought experiment). Electron's don't occupy specific positions/orbits/energy levels, instead are defined by the probability that the electrons will occupy these spaces.i dont rlly get how to explain schrodinger apart from name dropping electron cloud, probability and 3 quantum number and i dont even know what they mean
i just use my left hand for negative charges i.e cathode rays, singular electrons. Right hand for positive chargeshow do you guys personally use your hand rules, cause i keep seeing different things about when to use each hand
right hand is for everything lowk except for negative charge or induced current where u just do the opposite. lenz law and negative is opposite to positivehow do you guys personally use your hand rules, cause i keep seeing different things about when to use each hand
Right hand for positive charges and left hand for negative charges. You can never go wrong. And current is a flow of protons so use your right hand.how do you guys personally use your hand rules, cause i keep seeing different things about when to use each hand
ahh ok, including for motors?right hand is for everything lowk except for negative charge or induced current where u just do the opposite. lenz law and negative is opposite to positive
yes definitely just know your advantages and limitations of the modelsDo we need to know about hyperfine splitting and the zeeman effect as limitations of Bohr's model? My school went so overboard with a lot of topics so I'm not even sure if this is in the syllabus or just extra info.
