Russia 'goes to war' with Georgia (2 Viewers)

[katie tully]

wakey wakey hands off snakey

 

[Admiral Nelson]

I'm using it in this context as a broader term for a trend in certain areas. In this case I'm just naming a broad variety of factors that led to the turn around of the...

Actually, do excuse me.

I'm finding this hard to kind of explain. I've a myriad of ism's and post-isms floating around in my head as I've an extension history trial tomorrow and it's all quite confusing at the moment.

 

[Iron]

?Slidey? Post-modernism is the 'foundation' of almost everything in the modern era. The age of political absolutes drowned in the mud of the western front

 

[Slidey]

?Slidey? Post-modernism is the 'foundation' of almost everything in the modern era. The age of political absolutes drowned in the mud of the western front

Indeed, modern society is so grounded in post-modernism that nobody can actually tangibly describe or define it.

 

[Iron]

Zis is the nature of the beast, dont you know. We dont know shit, so it's all power game to pretend we do. Strongest will wins!

 

[Captin gay]

well that aritcle is fucking freaky..

 

[Slidey]

Thasnkfully it's also very sensationalist and hypothetical.

 

[Iron]

And all there nukes are rusted out, right?

 

[Captin gay]

its a scary scenario though, what would happen if the Russians shot down a US jet in Georgia?

 

[Iron]

I vote that GWB rides the first US bomb down like a cowboy
You dont mess wif texas
yehaw

 

[Admiral Nelson]

Which is fairly obvious given the fact the article could only get sketchier if it mentioned the moon landing faking and the assassination of Kennedy by Gestapo agents.

And people seem to throw the idea of invading Iran around willy nilly. Any conventional invasion of Iran will be an incredibly bloody affair. The Iranians aren't a second rate force with third rate equipment by any means. Also, there are almost 11 million members of it's paramilitary forces, which would have little affect on conflict, but it would most certainly mean that the partisan problem faced in Iraq would be many times worse.

Plus, the Iranians have shown themselves not above human wave tactics. An American invasion of Iran would just be too costly to be really considered, I would think. Unless the US have something I don't know about or Iran is much worse than I've analysed them to be, but I don't think they are.

EDIT:
"Russia has invaded a sovereign neighbouring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people," George W Bush said in Washington. "Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st Century."

It's a good thing he qualified that, actually, because the US has a decent amount of experience going around toppling democratically elected governments it didn't like.

 

[Iron]

EDIT:
"Russia has invaded a sovereign neighbouring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people," George W Bush said in Washington. "Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st Century."

It's a good thing he qualified that, actually, because the US has a decent amount of experience going around toppling democratically elected governments it didn't like.

Like?
As far as we know, no real democracies have gone to war with eachother

 

[Admiral Nelson]

Like?
As far as we know, no real democracies have gone to war with eachother

Oh no America doesn't invade them, it just finds other ways to subvert the workings of some less favourable democracies. I believe they've been directly responsible in the overthrow of some South American nations, but they might have been "democracies" in name but not in reality. My knowledge of Central American affairs in the last thirty years isn't exactly comprehensive.

and:
"in the night of August 11/12, reports of a wholesale Russian invasion or even an advance as far as Gori could not be confirmed by US sources, based on on-the-ground intelligence. A Pentagon spokesman said that the "assessment is ongoing"[164]). A U.S. military official told CNN that Russian attacks on Georgia -- including radars and communication systems -- have devastated the country's command and control system to the point where Georgian leaders may not have a clear idea of the situation on the ground. "

The Russians are actually fighting the war in some ways better than I imagined. If they've done well enough to keep even the Americans second-guessing the situation, then they've done a pretty good job.

 

[Slidey]

http://invadenewzealand.com/

Pfft. There's a reason Australia was happy to let New Zealand become independent 100 years ago.

Hint: carnal knowledge with sheep.

 

[Iron]

http://invadenewzealand.com/

That was aMAAYzing

 

[MissSarajevo]

Bush ordered Russia to stop the war and Russia immediately declared ceasfire. I always knew coward russians are scared of America, as always.

 

[Iron]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/08/12/2333247.htm
Cold Kremlin tensions with Putin I bet
Medvedev - lightweight

 

[Admiral Nelson]

Bush ordered Russia to stop the war and Russia immediately declared ceasfire. I always knew coward russians are scared of America, as always.

Russia has gotten absolutely everything it could have wanted from this war. It's proven itself to be the big boy on the block, it's put down Georgia and all around made a pretty good job of establishing itself back into mainstream public attention. Bush and the like have been telling them to stop for almost a week and Russia ignored them, just as it could now.

America would never have risked any kind of war over this, never would have pursued military operations. Russia could have continued this war for another week, month or year if it wanted to. Now was just a good time to leave, as they got what they came for.

 

[Iron]

It was Russia's Gulf War I
My God we buried the ghosts of Afghanistan, comrades!

 

[Admiral Nelson]

The Cold War mindset doesn't just dominate the Kremlin, it's still very obviously hanging around the White House and it's readily apparent in the Western media. And honestly, you say lack of spine in regards to the West not protecting Georgia, but do you risk a nuclear holocaust over Georgia? Especially when Russia isn't really that far in the wrong nor Georgia in the right?

And 'Territorial ambitions' isn't the righ phrase at all. Russia doesn't want land or people, it's got enough of those, nor does it want recourses, it has them too. No, Russia wants to keep it's influence over the former Soviet and Eastern Block nations.

The Ukraine is really the key to this all. It has a decent sized army and top notch ex-Soviet and homeproduced tanks and aircraft, and it's shown itself not willing to be pushed around by Russia. It recently blocked the Russian Black Sea Fleet from their ports in the Ukraine, for example. So yeah, keep your eyes on them, as they'll be the key in Russian-West relations for at least the years to come.

And yeah, there's more than a few other nations that readily walk into second rate countries, kick the natives around for a while and leave throughout their history, so don't paint this as a Russian condition.