UAI Myth? Or not? (1 Viewer)

[mleiu]

I heard this from someone who heard it from someone else (there goes the primary source factor) that if you get band 6 in all your 10Units of study, that's a 99 UAI or higher.

Is this .. true? Thank you

 

[lyounamu]

I heard this from someone who heard it from someone else (there goes the primary source factor) that if you get band 6 in all your 10Units of study, that's a 99 UAI or higher.

Is this .. true? Thank you

It depends on the subject combination. For example, if I get Band 6s in all my HSC subjects next year (look at my profile for this), I would get about 99.2 UAI due to high scalings that my subjects hold (except Business Studies & Biology).

For someone who carries low-scaling subjects, getting Band 6s in all his/her subjects WON'T get her 99 UAI. I know someone at my school who got Premier's Award (Band 6s in 10 Units or more) with 96 UAI. That proves something.

 

[runnable]

not true... For 99... you have to at least get around mid 90s in 10 units (with English) on subjects with poor scaling.

 

[lyounamu]

I never said that it is usual to get 99+ UAI with Band 6s in 10 Units. I was making myself as an example where my subjects are extremely high-scaled (e.g. MX2, Cosmology) and scaling does play a significant role.

To the above statement: as I said scaling is important when it comes to UAI calculating. There ARE subjects that are capped. In Senior Science, you cannot expect over 90 SCALED MARK realistically. Whatever you get in Senior Science, it won't get you high SCALED MARK. On top of that, UAI is calculated by the total aggregate of SCALED MARK.

 

[lyounamu]

I never said that you did say that

I was talking to runnable for that.

Yes I do understand that some subjects are capped, but it is still possible to achieve a UAI of 99+ with almost any subject combination is it not? Scaling does have an affect to a persons UAI however if students get high marks with low scaling subjects the student will still be able to achieve a relatively high UAI not to far off from a student with high scaling subs

Yes. I do not deny that. But what I am saying is that scaling is quite important and the influence it has over UAI is quite significant.

 

[lyounamu]

No it isn't as significant as you make it out to be particularly if the person with low scaling subjects does well (which is what is assumed in the thread. And also I feel my first post ITT was quite relevant... as for the posts afterwards... they were just a follow up on your replies

You say that it depends on the cohort and you seem to be relying on the SAM too much that carries the 2005 scaling rather than the recent ones.

Person with low scaling subjects will have their own limits. That's what my point and it is highly unlikely that they will get "good marks" that will get them good UAI. To do that, they will probably need to get huge chunks of marks ahead of those who have high-scaling subjects.

If you look at all those who achieve 99 UAI, you will see that they tend to carry either a combination of high-scaling subjects or the combination of high and low-scaling subjects. It would be quite rare to see people with 99 UAI where they have capped subjects. I recently played with few UAI calculators with different marks and scaling does come into important play.

That's because low scaling subjects hurt more than high scaling subjects when you drop one mark in each.

P.S. I shouldn't have amended my earlier post. I thought it sounded too slack but if I look at now, it appears as if I back down due to your repetitive posts.

 

[nottellingu]

IF I WAS THIS PERSON ID BE FUKING PISSED...IM TELLIN U KNOW DAT PREDICTION IS BULLSHIT, it cant be right i know ppl that only got 3 band 6's with high 98 uais

 

[runnable]

I was talking to runnable for that.

Lol my "not true" was directed at answering the thread's question of the Myth etc..

haha not everything is about you sry.

 

[runnable]

IF I WAS THIS PERSON ID BE FUKING PISSED...IM TELLIN U KNOW DAT PREDICTION IS BULLSHIT, it cant be right i know ppl that only got 3 band 6's with high 98 uais

We don't have nearly enough info for this claim.

Band 6 is 90-100.

The three band sixes might all be 100 and the rest are say.. 89, the person will be looking at 99 no problems.

 

[ccc123]

I heard this from someone who heard it from someone else (there goes the primary source factor) that if you get band 6 in all your 10Units of study, that's a 99 UAI or higher.

Is this .. true? Thank you

In some cases yes, in other not so. Depends on the factors aformentioned.

 

[lyounamu]

SAM differs from year to year however the UAI that it predicts is pretty accurate

WTF???? It is possible to get good marks with any subject. And assuming that low scaling subjects are easier, I would say that it would be easier to get "good marks" in those subjects.

The trend is like that because most people who have a greater ability to do well tend to do higher scaling subjects but I'm placing my bet that if they do lower scaling subjects they would not be far off. It is hard to do an experiment though cause all these people are scared shitless ... "oh noes it willz drag my uAI down"

Ok... whatever you said. I will keep my own opinion that scaling is still important. No one should take scaling system into account when it comes to subject selection though.

 

[midifile]

WTF???? It is possible to get good marks with any subject. And assuming that low scaling subjects are easier, I would say that it would be easier to get "good marks" in those subjects.

Yes, people doing easy subjects are often able to get higher raw marks in those subjects, however, after alignment occurs, harder (or high scaling) subject marks are brought up to a greater extent than low scaling subjects. I know how much you preach that scaling and moderation isnt all that, but you cant deny that it happens, otherwise it would be impossible for most people doing subjects like 4 unit maths, physics, etc to get UAIs of 99+ considering their raw marks in these subjects are probably (we will never actually know, but judging on reactions to HSC exams) average rather than amazing.

 

[runnable]

I never said that it is usual to get 99+ UAI with Band 6s in 10 Units. I was making myself as an example where my subjects are extremely high-scaled (e.g. MX2, Cosmology) and scaling does play a significant role.

I did a play around with SAM with 4U Maths, 4U Eng, Chemistry, Latin EXT etc... Putting in 90 for each, never quite got me 99. It hovers around 97+ all the time. So yea I guess a mid 90 is still required to get 99 UAI, even for high scaling subjects.

 

[lyounamu]

Lol my "not true" was directed at answering the thread's question of the Myth etc..

haha not everything is about you sry.

I thought it was directed at me because you seemed to be talking in relation to my post & your post was below my post. Mistaken assumption, I guess.

 

[lyounamu]

I did a play around with SAM with 4U Maths, 4U Eng, Chemistry, Latin EXT etc... Putting in 90 for each, never quite got me 99. It hovers around 97+ all the time. So yea I guess a mid 90 is still required to get 99 UAI, even for high scaling subjects.

I don't think I use the same "program". I don't use SAM for your own information. I put 90 exactly in all my subjects and 99 was what I got. Please, if you look at my post above, I was criticising how some people are too infatuated with the use of SAM. Why would I use SAM as my own defence?

And SCALED AGGREGATE OF 440-450 gets about 99 UAI. Realistically (for my subjects), it should get me 99 UAI if I assumed that I got Band 6s in all (which is unlikely). Please, try using your brain before trying to rely on the calculator.

 

[lyounamu]

Do you know what alignment even is or do I just have a misunderstanding of what alignment is cause from my understanding alignment has got to do with alignment of marks from school to school rather than from subject to subject.

Do YOU know what an alignment is? (to begin with)

Alignment may refer to the below:

1. Transition from the RAW marks to the ALIGNED MARK in HSC
2. Adjusting school results to those of HSC.

I think there is a clash of understanding.

Because, as far as I see, midfile is reffering to the first one and you seem to be stuck with your knowledge on the 2nd one.

 

[midifile]

Do you know what alignment even is or do I just have a misunderstanding of what alignment is?
... cause from my understanding alignment has got to do with alignment of marks from school to school rather than from subject to subject.

Okay what I am talking about is the entire moderation process. Ie i get such and such ranks, such and such raw marks in the HSC and that translates into such and such UAI. Sorry if i misphrased it.

 

[runnable]

I don't think I use the same "program". I don't use SAM for your own information. I put 90 exactly in all my subjects and 99 was what I got. Please, if you look at my post above, I was criticising how some people are too infatuated with the use of SAM. Why would I use SAM as my own defence?

And SCALED AGGREGATE OF 440-450 gets about 99 UAI. Realistically (for my subjects), it should get me 99 UAI if I assumed that I got Band 6s in all (which is unlikely). Please, try using your brain before trying to rely on the calculator.

From UAC. "Students who received a UAI of 100 in 2006, for example, had aggregates spread across the range 482.5 to 490.5."

Don't put too much trust on your brain, its prone to failing.

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[lyounamu]

From UAC. "Students who received a UAI of 100 in 2006, for example, had aggregates spread across the range 482.5 to 490.5."

Don't put too much trust on your brain, its prone to failing.

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I was referring to 99 UAI, lol. Don't trust your eyes, make sure you wear glasses.

Don't put too much trust on your eyes, it's prone to failing.

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[runnable]

I was referring to 99 UAI, lol. Don't trust your eyes, make sure you wear glasses.

Don't put too much trust on your eyes, it's prone to failing.

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I guess I was looking at your siggie.

I indeed need to get glasses.

Back to normal talk, estimating out from an established system such as SAM or UAI Calculator will tend to mislead people as they have no idea the exact magnitude of scaling eg a score of 80 is 4U maths =... 90 or 92 or 96 scaled?

... unless the person actually get resources from UAC and finds information explicitly, which is what the calculators do anyway. And if you are not a fan of SAM cuz its a 2005 version angry, maybe you can try the UAI Calculator, they have the new 2007 version.