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That's a good question, though not one that really fits inside the HSC syllabus.

Ring strain is a destabilising factor for ring systems except when they have six atoms in the ring - Wikipedia has an article about it - and the problem with bond angles away from the ideal tetrahedral angle is intuitively obvious. The contribution from eclipsed rather than staggered conformations is also not difficult to appreciate in a qualitative sense, though the syllabus does not really go into those areas either.

The effect can be seen in its reactivity, for example. Cyclopropane reacts with HBr to yield 1-bromopropane, an addition reaction that is akin to the behaviour of propene but not propane.

Quantifying the effect of ring strain is well beyond the syllabus, though quantified effects can be seen in the elevation of the enthalpies of combustion. Estimating the enthalpy of combustion from bond energies for cyclopropane (in gas phase) gives:

Cyclopropane: C3H6 (g) + 4.5 O2 (g) ---> 3 CO2 (g) + 3 H2O (g)


Adjusting back to standard states by using:

H2O (g) ---> H2O (l)

gives an estimate of the enthalpy of combustion as .

The actual value is .

This 150 kJ mol-1 difference reflects that the three strained carbon-carbon bonds in the cyclopropane ring are weaker than a typical carbon-carbon bond. In fact, assuming that the strain only affects the carbon-carbon bond strength (which isn't true, but the effect on the carbon-hydrogen bond strengths will be significantly smaller in magnitude), we can calculate:


In other words, compared to the typical / average BE(C-C) = +348 kJ mol-1, the carbon-carbon bonds in cyclopropane are only about 75% as strong.

There is the basis for a good, challenging, question that builds on content in modules 1, 4, and 7 (at least).
The answer was just because in propane all the e groups are arranged so that they are the furthest away from each other (VSEPR theory) however in cyclopropane they are not. Meaning that cyclopropane is more unstable and thus more reactive.
 

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The answer was just because in propane all the e groups are arranged so that they are the furthest away from each other (VSEPR theory) however in cyclopropane they are not. Meaning that cyclopropane is more unstable and thus more reactive.
Yes, I'm not surprised that only a brief answer was required, worth 1 to 2 marks. I just thought it was an interesting question to highlight some more of what is going on. :)
 

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Yes, I'm not surprised that only a brief answer was required, worth 1 to 2 marks. I just thought it was an interesting question to highlight some more of what is going on. :)
Icic, yeah the q was only worth one mark lol
 

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Whats’s wrong with peak?

I currently attend Year 12 lessons for chemistry there, and I find that the content they teach you is “all you need to know,” places like matrix like to waffle a lot. However, I did see zhang’s state ranks look very appealing, but the theory is very hard to look at (looks like a textbook).

They also like throwing you straight into hard questions, which makes you actually think. No spoon feeding haha.
zhangs does have some amazing results but i'd take it with a grain of salt. they're similar to dr du in that all of the top selective schools go to them already so ofc they will get very high results each year. also, there's no guarantee that all of their advertised state ranks are actually legitimate, i know one person that only attended year 11 biology at zhangs for 1 term and only did chemistry at peak, but zhangs advertised that person's chemistry state rank as their own this year (which imo is kinda fraudulent)
 

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zhangs does have some amazing results but i'd take it with a grain of salt. they're similar to dr du in that all of the top selective schools go to them already so ofc they will get very high results each year. also, there's no guarantee that all of their advertised state ranks are actually legitimate, i know one person that only attended year 11 biology at zhangs for 1 term and only did chemistry at peak, but zhangs advertised that person's chemistry state rank as their own this year (which imo is kinda fraudulent)
Yeah dr du does the same thing in regards to claiming state ranks as their own when in reality it isnt. Ive done physics at zhangs for one term (i quit) and it was so bad imo. The notes and resources were horribly written and were hard to read as well. And the teaching was not good either, I tried 3 different teachers with 2 being extremely mid and the other absolutely terrible (which is weird because this same teacher was supposedly “good” according to many other ppl). Apparently my experience is common with others as well.
 
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hi, I go to PEAK for chemistry (year 11), but I want to change next term. I was thinking either Zhangs or Ace. I also thought matrix but i heard that they were a bit on the easier side (not 100% sure about that tho). Anyways can someone who went to either or them, or just in general suggest which one would suit me. I am looking for an organised tutoring which is more on the harder end, like having harder homework and exams. thanks
Hey pal. I did Matrix and honestly was a game changer!
they are not too easy: they have easy questions to make sure you understand and have harder questions as well!
 

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Yeah dr du does the same thing in regards to claiming state ranks as their own when in reality it isnt. Ive done physics at zhangs for one term (i quit) and it was so bad imo. The notes and resources were horribly written and were hard to read as well. And the teaching was not good either, I tried 3 different teachers with 2 being extremely mid and the other absolutely terrible (which is weird because this same teacher was supposedly “good” according to many other ppl). Apparently my experience is common with others as well.
There is no teacher anywhere who suits every student that might see them. It's a matter not only of knowledge, but style, personality, engagement, etc, etc.

As for tutoring places that have entrance exams and specialise in the most able students, there is no way to measure how those students would have done without the assistance. The real test for effective tutoring is to take a student who is not doing well and see substantial improvement over time... but that's harder to advertise as an achievement.
 

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zhangs does have some amazing results but i'd take it with a grain of salt. they're similar to dr du in that all of the top selective schools go to them already so ofc they will get very high results each year. also, there's no guarantee that all of their advertised state ranks are actually legitimate, i know one person that only attended year 11 biology at zhangs for 1 term and only did chemistry at peak, but zhangs advertised that person's chemistry state rank as their own this year (which imo is kinda fraudulent)
oh wow i can't believe places are allowed to do that...
anyways that was kinda the reason that i wanted to try zhangs as they had a lot of chem state ranks but now ig i need to be more careful when looking at the honour rolls from tutoring centres
 

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oh wow i can't believe places are allowed to do that...
Advertising is meant to be truthful, though it's often misleading or not entirely truthful. Ads can be taken down if proven to be false or misleading, but that requires a regulator to take action, so there is little prospect of action against carefully worded claims that don't make clear that the students are former students. "XYZ Tutoring proudly congratulates its student on coming first in the State" isn't a lie, even if the student didn't attend XYZ tutoring for the subject in which s/he came first...
 

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If I am selling 1 kg of cooking salt, I can label it and advertise with the claim "100% free of fat, sugar, and cholesterol" because that is true... even though no salt product for sale contains fat, sugar, or cholesterol.
 

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i think he said our class, why r u shocked?
cause i thought i kinda ate my exam even tho the mark was ass cause our teachers said its normal if we get around the 60s or 70s for the exams 💀 plus only like four or five people got around the 80s and the rest hovered around the 60s or 70s. i think some failed in our class as well.
 

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cause i thought i kinda ate my exam even tho the mark was ass cause our teachers said its normal if we get around the 60s or 70s for the exams 💀 plus only like four or five people got around the 80s and the rest hovered around the 60s or 70s. i think some failed in our class as well.
What class r u in
 

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