ok so obviosuly u have no better way to express urself then to be rude, that is a sign of weakness, u cant tell me how then animal knows to eat or where to find it so u attack me personally. i have had respect for all that have spoken on this forum, all but u.Comrade nathan said:
umm i didnt say that quote. i dont know who ur talking about. i dont talk to god as my friend, he is my creator. who made the simple bacteria?. now ur the one who cant give me reason. what do u believe in, since ur not agnostic. u say no god. fine wat is it then? and by the way muslim countries do not supress science, some of the best mathematicians and scientists were muslims and coz they know about god and they believe in him, they apprecaite science more, they know where it came from. and yes i do fell special to have had the gift of finding the truth in my own heartNot-That-Bright said:
Sadly this is not true, humans dont have much free will when thinking, the material world forces ideas on to us. Its what we do with this ideas that is our free will.
animals worhsip god too . i watch the birds when i wake up for prayer at dawn, sitting on trees and roofs bowing their heads the way we so, in perfect unison. i listen to the roosters crow at dawn, telling the animals its prayer time, this happens at exact time that the athan rings out in muslim countries, alerting ppl to prayer. they have their own kingdom, just like us. how do we know that we must eat and how do we know where to find this food. it is knowledge we aquire during our lives and without the will of god we cant do this ourselves. look at disbaled ppl (the really disbaled ones) they dont know where to find food, they dont know to eat it. these are signs from god that u should appreciate wat he has given u, coz most of us take it for granted that we have a heart, a tounge and a brain that functiosn normally.Not-That-Bright said:
i take this to be in response to my question to moonlight sonata? actually no... being agnostic is when u believe there is a higher power, but not necessarily god. so if he were to believe that "yes, there is a god", he would no longer be an agnostic. hangon, there's something i dont get in that last quote i showed (above). if u can believe that a being is able to control u, then how is this being not higher than u? and yes, if u do not believe, of course it will be hard to make u believe....Xayma said:sub if that was the case then all of humanity would be agnostic at bestor religion kept changing, if I believe there is no god of any type it will be hard to change me to believe. Any higher being I do not believe can exist, a being that controls us like we control mice on the other hand is possible but I do not believe they are higher then us, just different and possibly smarter.
ok...so ur saying its human nature not to believe... i disagree. everyone has the innate naure of looking up to something. even u. u have somethign that u look up to - that u idolise per se...it may be another person (like your "hero") or a statue, or aliens...but there is something that u look up to - that IS part of human nature. it is human nature to look up to something, but u have been given reason to work out what that something u look up to is.Xayma said:
Thats why i was "rude". Its not that mysterious that a animal eats.
hmm ill admit, that the darwin theory is not taught in muslim countries, muslim countries being "the islamic republic or iran" and not for example lebanon where nothing is banned from being taught. however the big bang for example is not something worth teaching, coz it has no grounds and is refuted by most ppl anyway. look in this day and age, everyone has access to knowlege, if u really feel something is wrong with wat u believe in then u have the right to search for answersNot-That-Bright said:
its not mysterious to u, coz god has given u the brain to understand wats going on. u should be thnakful that u have this brainComrade nathan said:
You just shot yourself in the foot. I wonder how many people are going to offended by you implying that disabled people are the cursed ones of god. You just stated why disabled people arent like us, god does not help them. So does god hate this people. This type of thought is what causes caste. I bet if you were running a country you would throw all the "cursed" disable people into a pit and burn them, ohh you would like that would you.
ok yeh i knew u were going to say that, i dunno when u rocked up but everyone else knows im not hear to offend people. i didnt say disabled ppl were cursed. i said they were examples to ppl like u who dont believe in god and his mercy. now there is a verse in the qoran, when i find it ill print it. it says something like god creates everyone in their best form. however ppl cause their children to become disbaled. either they took drugs, alcohol or they cursed god, as some of u seem to be doing, this is not only in islam. if u curse god in any religion u will be punished, for some it is now, for others it will be in the afterlife. however i know of a lady that due to her disabled son (down syndrome), converted to islam, she became a believer. god does not create sick children, they are a result of their parents blasphemy or alcohol/drug related stuff. actually if i were running a country i would treat the disabled with the most respect and my faith would increase coz these are the signs from god that make me appreciate my health. and once again dont presume to tell me what i will or would not do coz u dont know the first thing about meComrade nathan said:
firstly its she not he, secondly im being attacked left right and centre so be patient. thirdly ammonia rich environment developed on its own huh? it just appeared, like magic. something is making all this, come on u ppl all seem intelligent. wat makes sense to u, it appeared on its own, or it was made? there is a force creating this and this force is labelled god. call it what u want but i choose to call it god. i refuse to believe i was made fom nothing, to be nothing, to have no purpose in life, to go nowhere.Xayma said:
energy needs to be made, i cant just have energy, energy has a power sourceXayma said:
This is not true, some cases yes but some no your just wrong. Many people have had kids that are born disabled in some way, yet the parents have not done anything to cause this. It is just in their gen makeup.
The lady did nothing wrong. I know families who have down syndrome children. The children are sometimes in the middle, sometimes the last child some times the first. You just so wrong.
But your so simple. Your the type who has never gave a thought to life. You get scared about death and what not and since you never cared to take time to do a bit of personal research, instead you take the easy way out and read about religon. It is so much easier to just say god to every question. God caused your problems , god made that rabbit, god made that pen.
Still cant comprehend cant we. You cant understand things just are as they are, you have run off on some spiritual.
.srsly what do u get out of slurring against other people? u seem to make a judgement about the characters of people u haven't met. it's easy to put down people, and that's all ur doing. u are not aruging based on facts anymore...ur off on a tangent and being vindictive.Comrade nathan said:
thats just GREAT...it's great to see ur opinions about what islam holds, but u are mistaken. have YOU gone and done some research...u seem to just take the easy way out and demean others for miscommunication. it is NOT ur place to judge others, and imply what they might or might not do...all u are doing are putting forward ur biased opinions which give nothing to the argument. if u truly feel this way about ANY person on this thread (or anywhere else for that matter), i suggest u keep them to urself. this thread was NOT created as a payout session.Comrade nathan said: