Fatties have right to extra airline seat (3 Viewers)

[Pace_T]

Does that mean that they get double portioned meals as well?

haha probably. now thats REALLY helping the obese people lose weight, isn't it?

 

[Dooga]

The point of society is to cater for society.

alright mate
if thats the point of society
why the fuck do i have to pay for all my stuff for being skinny???
where's the logic in that???

some fat ass comes along gets an extra seat for FREE
and i dont get anything for free???

why arnt i being catered for
if the fat man gets an extra seat for being fat

shouldnt i get an extra meal for FREE to fatten me up???

 

[Serius]

maybe they can install a couple of larger seats at the back? like 1 1/2 times the size of a normal seat. The back seats [ or could be somewhere else depending on the plane, but all planes have these places on them] are sometimes shorter rows because of the toilet or something, just install bigger seats there and the fatties can pay a premium for the extra comfort and privacy offered by a solo seat? airlines will make more money than they do sqeezing the fatties into a normal seat, they dont have to give up a seat that would otherwise be occupied by a normal fair paying customer and i dont have to deal with them.
Sounds like a good option to me

Or how about if there happens to be any unfilled seats on the plane, as a courtesy survice, the larger patron can sit in the seat next to the empty one and overflow onto it or whatever it is they do[remove the armrest and spread out?, i have no idea] The airlines arent losing any money because its an unfilled seat on that flight, the fatty is comfortable and I dont have to deal with them.

The issue isnt really about weight, its about space. Theres only so much space on a plane and they try to cram as many people into that space as possible to make the flight profitable.

 

[aimhigh10]

haha probably. now thats REALLY helping the obese people lose weight, isn't it?

im sure the weight will just disappear magically (somehow)...


i think that it is UNFAIR
to say the least

 

[Kwayera]

Actually it is partly about weight - which is why most airlines have piece and weight restrictions and charge you massively for extra pieces and weight.

Weight = fuel = cost to airline.

 

[chewnugm]

What defines a "fatty"? Without a definition people who are mildly obese would have the chance to exploit the ruling leading to greater than expected short comings by reduction of full paid seating...something to think about.

 

[Kwayera]

From Wikipedia:

Obesity is a condition in which excess body fat has accumulated to such an extent that health may be negatively affected.[1] It is commonly defined as a body mass index of 30 kg/m2 or higher.[1] This distinguishes it from being overweight as defined by a BMI of between 25–29.9 kg/m2.[1]

 

[Rockyroad]

i can totally see where rockyroad is coming from with her argument. i however dont think that feeling sorry for them is a sufficient basis for subsidising their airline ticket.

Fact is, if they are on the flight; they (morbidly obese people) are going to take up two seats. Making them pay more just humiliates them further.
I do believe that most fat people do not want to be fat. Therefore they always want to lose weight. Subsidising their ticket is not going to make much of an effect on their weight loss, it really isn’t. They already want to lose weight; they already look down on themselves for being fat. Subsidising doesn’t make much difference to anyone else; furthermore, it won’t reduce obesity. When people say it’s not fair for fat people to get this extra seat for free… well they aren’t exactly getting a seat for free – because they use it up the same way you use your’s up. This way, everyone gets the seat they fit into for the same price.
Subsidising won’t greatly adversely affect the rest of the population but it means a lot to those who are overweight.

 

[Trefoil]

Fatties have a right to be called fatties.

 

[Kwayera]

Subsidising won’t greatly adversely affect the rest of the population but it means a lot to those who are overweight.

Upon what do you base dubious claim, given what has already been stated in this thread?

 

[Serius]

Actually it is partly about weight - which is why most airlines have piece and weight restrictions and charge you massively for extra pieces and weight.

Weight = fuel = cost to airline.

I knew i should have worded it better.... weight does have a cost associated with it, yes but the issue being discussed is more about how many seats fit in a plane i.e space rather than weight. Otherwise underweight people would be getting a reduced fair, men would be paying more than women etc.

My inelegant solution i presented earlier in the thread was to just charge people a mean sum for their weight e.g for sydney to brisbane - you get 100kg for $100. That means if you weight 80kg you can take up to 20kg of luggage. If you weigh 100kg...well sorry buddy but you can only take carry on. If you want to take more luggage or you are heavier than 100kg then pay more, say $10 per extra 10kg or whatever [prices of course changing depending on the flight, distance etc]

Now whilst that solution addresses the weight problem, it doesnt take into affect space, e.g they are going to need more room and the density of a human body and the space constraints of a plane mean that the problem isnt so much how heavy they are but more the fact that they require twice the space as anyone else, space that could be occupied by two fair paying customers.

 

[Pace_T]

Fact is, if they are on the flight; they (morbidly obese people) are going to take up two seats. Making them pay more just humiliates them further.

if public humiliation every time they went to the shops didnt discourage them from eating so much and exercising so little what is paying double for their airline ticket going to do? do they walk around the airport screaming out to everybody that they had to pay double? only the people they are buying tickets with actually know how much they paid.

sure their feelings will be hurt when they see the ticket for them is double in price, but provided they aren't absolute morons they can see why. they are taking up someone else's seat. wouldn't they feel like royalty if they were offered a FREE extra seat at the expense of other passengers? who knows, their double seat could turn out to be bigger and more comfy than business class passengers yet they are paying for an economy seat. is this how we should be treating obese people?

I do believe that most fat people do not want to be fat. Therefore they always want to lose weight. Subsidising their ticket is not going to make much of an effect on their weight loss, it really isn’t. They already want to lose weight; they already look down on themselves for being fat. Subsidising doesn’t make much difference to anyone else; furthermore, it won’t reduce obesity.

lets assume what you said above about humiliation was true. wouldn't charging them for the extra seat help discourage people from being obese especially for those who have already been bitten by the higher price?
surely this factor would help put downward pressure on their weight? are you saying it will have absolutely no effect? what about those in tight financial positions who can't afford an additional ticket? are you going to give it for free and say its ok to be obese?

When people say it’s not fair for fat people to get this extra seat for free… well they aren’t exactly getting a seat for free – because they use it up the same way you use your’s up. This way, everyone gets the seat they fit into for the same price.

good point. i like you're thinking. but to use my example earlier; you go to a restaurant and have a regular sized meal but because you are obese it doesn't fill you up. you go to court and demand that all restaurants give all customers a meal appropriate in size to satisfy each and every one of them. i.e. skinny people get small servings and obese people get huge servings. of course the obese person's meal is going to be the same price as the small person's.
everyone has a satisfying meal for the same price. it's fair isn't it?

if the traveller wants a satisfying (comfortable) ride in the plane, he/she has to pay double for the extra serving (the seat).

Subsidising won’t greatly adversely affect the rest of the population but it means a lot to those who are overweight.

basically what you're saying here is that its ok to take from the rich (regular sized people) and give to the poor (obese people).

nice airlines will give the seat for free and i think thats quite nice of them even if my ticket price goes up marginally. but the issue i have is with the fact that the court ruled that airlines are OBLIGATED to give the seat for free.

 

[Kwayera]

nice airlines will give the seat for free and i think thats quite nice of them even if my ticket price goes up marginally. but the issue i have is with the fact that the court ruled that airlines are OBLIGATED to give the seat for free.

My problem also.

 

[katie tully]

Yeh they probably should get an extra seat, the point of air travel is to accomodate for people in society.

No it isn’t. The point of air travel is for air line companies to make lots of money. Giving away a seat that would otherwise cost $1000 to a fat person, disadvantages the airline and disadvantages the other passengers. I have a mental problem and believe I have an imaginary friend. Should my imaginary friend get a free seat because I’m a raving sped?

A lot of people in soceity are obese! And it barely impacts on other passengers, except that an extra person could be in that seat. That being said, I think that other person as well as the individual who is overweight would rather not be in that situation lol.

Sweet! Tell them to give me a call and I’ll explain to them how they can be LESS FUCKING FAT.

How about unless these fat people can give a doctors certificate from three different specialists, a GP, Psychiatrist and Dietician, saying their weight is beyond their control, that we chuck them off the damn plane. I hate being stuck next to fat people on any form of shared transport, invasion of space much.

Hahah, you’re the bestest.

By saying "they probably should get an extra seat" I meant should be GIVEN an extra seat; as in FOR FREE. Jesus sorry for apparently not making it clear enough for you.
And there has been much mention of wether it is better for the overweight individual to either a) have one seat and annoy the people who are next to them or b) have the extra seat and therefore extra room.
I'm sure that unless the seat was free, many overweight individuals wouldn't bother paying for an extra. To all the people complainging saying it is unfair and "they should pay for their on seat", I was merely pointing out that there is little negative effect on other airline passengers except for the fact that for every extra seat used, one less person can travel on the plane. I then went on to indicate that it is unlikely the person who could have been in that seat would enjoy being squished up next to someone who doesn't quite fit, it would be an incredibly unpleasent flight. Neither would this be a pleasent experience for the overweight individual.

For starters, you can get rid of this little ‘LOL OMG DID I ESPLAIN IT 4 YEW?!’ attitude, because so far you’ve been making ridiculous points at people far more developed, and far smarter than you.
It has been explained numerous times, and if you had bothered to learn to read, you would have seen some very concise examples of how giving away a seat for free impacts on the other passengers. It’s not about whether the fat person is going to annoy other passengers, it’s the fact that the airline is going to have to recoup their losses somehow (and this will probably translate into higher fees for those of us who have to pay). Airline travel is a luxury. It’s not a right. People do not have the right to get on planes, hence why they have to pay for them. If you’re happy for airlines to give away a free seat, I hope you have no issue with the government paying for the seats of all people over 120kg.

Fact is, if they are on the flight; they (morbidly obese people) are going to take up two seats. Making them pay more just humiliates them further.

Sorry, what? Them paying for their own seating arrangement is more humiliating than being given a free seat because their fatass can’t fit in the chair? Are you retarded? Seriously?

I do believe that most fat people do not want to be fat. Therefore they always want to lose weight. Subsidising their ticket is not going to make much of an effect on their weight loss, it really isn’t. They already want to lose weight; they already look down on themselves for being fat.

You’re not a fucking psychologist. I want to see some peer reviewed shit discussing the psychology of fat people. If they want to lose weight so bad, they can get off their fat asses and go on a low calorie diet. It’s not hard, thousands of fatties before them have done it.

Subsidising doesn’t make much difference to anyone else; furthermore, it won’t reduce obesity.

That isn’t the point of giving them a free chair you twat. And of course giving them a free chair makes a difference to the rest of the passengers, THE AIRLINE HAS TO RECOUP THEIR LOSSES SOME HOW? So what happens if there are 3 fatties on a plane. That’s 3 seats the plane has lost in profit. How do they recoup this loss?

 

[katie tully]

What does everyone think of this proposal?

Sydney West is training all staff next year to identify obese children. They will be required to 'tactfully' inform parents that their kid is a fatty, and they'll be required to refer them to the appropriate resources.

Shotgun not telling parents

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

What does everyone think of this proposal?

Sydney West is training all staff next year to identify obese children. They will be required to 'tactfully' inform parents that their kid is a fatty, and they'll be required to refer them to the appropriate resources.

Shotgun not telling parents

how do you "tactfully" tell someone that their kid is fat lol

without lying and saying something like "bla bla puppy fat", I mean

 

[katie tully]

how do you "tactfully" tell someone that their kid is fat lol

without lying and saying something like "bla bla puppy fat", I mean

I dunno. Apparently we're going to be trained in the fine art of fatty bashing.

We can't tell parents their kids smell, are on drugs or anything else... but we can tell them that their kid is obese. Way to go.

Think it'll make much difference? I doubt it, as if they don't know their kid is obese. If they're that stupid, they don't deserve to have kids.

 

[Kwayera]

Wow, I wouldn't like to be those poor doctors.

I saw an obese baby the other day. It was disgusting; I wanted to lay into the mother, but how do you do that?

 

[katie tully]

Wow, I wouldn't like to be those poor doctors.

I saw an obese baby the other day. It was disgusting; I wanted to lay into the mother, but how do you do that?

Not just doctors.

All staff, or so the funding brief says.

 

[katie tully]

Some people are dumb though. Like a minute ago, someone was telling this woman that she needed to ween her 3 year old off the bottle coz his teeth were rotting.
She's like 'oh well, I give him cordial'
'Um...well dont'
'But it's really weak!'
'Don't. It's full of sugar'
'But not nearly as much!'


FFS.