Cronulla Beach Incident (2 Viewers)

[White Rabbit]

i went to westfield hurstville today and there were no lebs? i was like..."ummm wats going on?" and there were cops inside the shopping centre, is something like that happening in miranda

I've noticed that, since Tuesday there have been very few lebs around. I suppose neither side wants to attack Hurstville or they'll get the Asians pissed off - when you look around aussies and lebs are pretty equal in numbers in Hurstville, but asians out number lebs and aussies combined. That, and stuffs planned for Bankstown Square - the rest are prolly at Rockdale.

 

[veterandoggy]

....what? a church was shot at a few days before this church hall was burnt down, it is pretty safe to say that these incidents are related to the riots.

i am not saying that the shooting was not related, im saying the burning of the church hall shouldnt have been related.

i think the shooting was the day before the hall got burnt down.

 

[White Rabbit]

Well I wouldn't really want to be walking around the beaches with the 'proud aussie's nor around the leb areas. I'm neither white enough for the 'aussies' to not pick on or ethic enough for the lebs to not bash me over the head.


You can be culturally and racially prejudice and not actually do anything about it or act on it. Heaps of people are like that. Dig deep enough and many many middle class suburban folk like to bag out anyone who is not white (I'm not suggesting that racism is exclusive to whites. Racism is common in other ethnic groups. However this doesn't justify racism at all). I know, I grew up in a 90% Anglo area like the Shire. Most of Australia is but they know its 'wrong' even though they feel it. In my work I come into contact with heaps of people in their homes. There is such an undercurrent of racial suspicion. 'This fan is made in India, I hope it works'...'These asian nurses are no good' blah blah...'All lebs are on the dole'

I Myself think, since I've read heaps of your posts, that you are just a little confused. You have given up on explaining your point of view. I mean in your last post you confused cultural and race. The general population out there still has a massive problem in differentiating between nationality, culture and race.

They are different things and exist independently of eachother. You don't have to be white to be Australia and embrace traditional 'aussie culture. You don't have to be white to play cricket, footy and speak 'strayian...you don't have to be white to play support Australia in everything that it does.

I'm sure you are not that redneck but some of your posts can be read very much in that way, Especially when you talk about anglo Australian culture, whether you realise it or not.

You don't know anything about me, so stop trying to understand me. Get off your high horse sunshine, when it comes down to it you know nothing of me, I know nothing of you. I can talk about what I percive as Anglo australian culture as much as I like, but if you feel it makes me a redneck for doing so then go ahead, like I said before and I'll say again - I don't really care. I don't feel the need to explain myself as, not because I'm confused as you'd like to believe, but I genuinly don't see the point anymore. If it differs from the PC norm then it's wrong and i'm a redneck - why waste time and energy explaining what I see a my culture and a fundamental part of me, when it's constantly shot down - when I could redirect that energy into something far more productive.


Hiphop - Sweet, might know your mum then lol

 

[White Rabbit]

That Church was a Tonga church. Morons, if the Islanders weren't 100% against them before, fuck mate, they are now.

Also, Sparkles, fuckin read the actual posts - not the bits you want to read. You sunshine, are as bad as the media - picking out the bits you want to hear and then distorting them. Have you nothing better to do? How will these problems be fixed if people like you keep burying your head in the sand and scream racism every time someone tries to address the problems. Like Hiphop posts stated, is wasn't just white aussies that took part - and more to the point, this has been going on for years and nobody has taken any notice - they let it happen. It's not justified, but you can see why it happened.

Also, the agreement between senior members on nulla surfing community and islamic leaders won't stop the violence imo - it's the young fuckers who think they are a law unto themselves that will continue this up long into the new year.

 

[basketcase89]

"an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind".

cant remember who said it.

*Points to signature*

 

[ihavenothing]

That Church was a Tonga church. Morons, if the Islanders weren't 100% against them before, fuck mate, they are now.

This is so true, with the Islanders strength combined with Aussies and Asians the Lebanese community will probably be witchunted out of the country.

The attitude of the "gangbangers" is having is basically burning all of its bridges between other races. By attacking an Islander church, watch out. At work the Italians are all complaining about how cowardly the lebs have been behaving and agree the rally at Cronulla was the last straw on the camel's back. Most of the people on this forum have had trouble being harassed by gangs of all ethnicities, now is the chance for the cops to lock them all up and make Sydney a safer place.

 

[SashatheMan]

i got this in the email

FYI

Stay clear of Bondi this weekend!...


i just got this from one of my mates...

its gona be on hard at Bondi this Sunday...


F*ck these stupid Aussies!

We smashed them at Cronulla
We smashed them at Maroubra
Now we're gonna smash them at Bondi!

These Aussies think they can touch us - we will wreck them...

This is more than a leb thing - it's a wog thing - they hate us all.
They want us DEAD!

Our parents came to this country and worked hard for their families. We
helped build this country and now these racists want us out.

All lebs and wogs down at Bondi this Sunday. We need more than the 5000
that showed up at Cronulla

Time to show these people stuck in the 1950's that times have changed -
WE are the new Australia - They are just the white thieves who took land
from the Aboriginals and their time is up

Join the struggle!!

 

[erawamai]

You don't know anything about me, so stop trying to understand me.

Whether you like it or not people will attempt to understand you by the words you write.

I can talk about what I percive as Anglo australian culture as much as I like, but if you feel it makes me a redneck for doing so then go ahead, like I said before and I'll say again - I don't really care.

You are defining culture by race. Culture is independent of race. You can be black, red, yellow, orange or purple and be born here and live and be 2nd generation and be proud to be an Australia and be allowed to say you are a part of Australian culture. Such racialism, when it is not needed, is behind the riots because both parties are unable to look past their racial prejudices. They are either anglo (white )Australians or leb Australians or whatever. People need to get over going into their shells pretending to preserve some kind of racial 'culture'. Whether they are white or Arab/leb or whatever.

If are suggesting that you are going to protect 'Anglo (white) Australian culture' then it would be reasonable to say that you are no different than the people who you complain about. Those immigrants who choose to not integrate because they want to keep their racial purity. You can't implore certain groups to integrate and but then suggest that you want to preserve a racial culture. It's takes two to tango.

I don't feel the need to explain myself as, not because I'm confused as you'd like to believe, but I genuinly don't see the point anymore

You often confuse nationality, race and culture in these threads. Your posts can be read easily as racist. Especially when you define Australian culture by race. whether you are personally racist I don't know. I'm telling you how your words can be read. And whether you like it is or not you are judged by your words.

If it differs from the PC norm then it's wrong and i'm a redneck - why waste time and energy explaining what I see a my culture and a fundamental part of me, when it's constantly shot down - when I could redirect that energy into something far more productive.

You chose to post here and people do read what you have to say. You are judged on your words. If you have given up defending your views then, well, thats up to you.

I have no idea whether you are a redneck. However your words are often clearly, whether you consciously or unconsciously realise it or not, hypocritical and can be read easily as racist.

 

[White Rabbit]

Like I said mate, I really don't care.

However look at the email above - whoever is sending it and everyone planning on taking part don't see themselves as australians - they have an 'us and them' mentality - where is the line drawn? Why should I be tolerant of people who have no tolerance for me? You say we are all the same, but according to that email we aren't.



However I do feel the need to add, if this were to end up in a full scale urban war, I wonder if any side has realised most people who have lived in this country for more than a couple of generations have relos outside Sydney. You get one family mad from a small town you get the whole town mad. Just a realisation I had.

 

[erawamai]

Like I said mate, I really don't care.
However look at the email above - whoever is sending it and everyone planning on taking part don't see themselves as australians - they have an 'us and them' mentality - where is the line drawn?

Of course their are idiots out there, on both sides, who have nothing better to do than get into trouble. No doubt a number of them think its cool that all thisaction is happening.

As for the us and them attitude. Us and them is common throughout all of society and it often doesn't have a good result. Be it private and public schools or whatever. I think the them and us is present on both sides and just represents mutual intolerence.

Why should I be tolerant of people who have no tolerance for me? You say we are all the same, but according to that email we aren't.

I don't think being intolerent back is the wisest way to solve the issue.

 

[White Rabbit]

I don't think being intolerent back is the wisest way to solve the issue.

I'm not saying it is, but answer the question. Why should I tolerant the intolerant?

 

[Generator]

I don't think being intolerent back is the wisest way to solve the issue.

But there are limits to what we should tolerate (but even then we shouldn't just fight fire with fire or outright hostility - the problem must be dealt with effectively).

 

[sparkl3z]

Lunatic .

 

[ihavenothing]

i got this in the email

If they have an attack like this, it will likely target the Jewish community as well, may that bring shame to them as the reaction to Anti-Semitic attacks will be harsh.

BTW, Aussies and bondi? You'd get more backpackers and Jews around there...

 

[White Rabbit]

Lunatic .

Wow. Eloquent.

Now tell me why.

 

[White Rabbit]

If they have an attack like this, it will likely target the Jewish community as well, may that bring shame to them as the reaction to Anti-Semitic attacks will be harsh.

BTW, Aussies and bondi? You'd get more backpackers and Jews around there...

Thats what I was thinking, what are they attacking, british backbackers? Kiwis? niiiiccce....

 

[sparkl3z]

bleh......i hope they all drown

 

[sparkl3z]

Wow. Eloquent.

Now tell me why.

because you tolerate the intolerant.

 

[White Rabbit]

because you tolerate the intolerant.

Really, your intelliegnce astounds me.

 

[sparkl3z]

it astounds me too.